DJ's winding path

[dminer84]

@BoobiePower

Welcome to my thread

To answer your question, no I'm completely ignorant of cupping. It does sound interesting and if it is increasing blood flow in the breast tissue (not just skin) then I'm game to try it. As I don't know a thing about it, I'll need to read up on the topic a bit. Any good pointers would be appreciated. If you could point me to the ebay auction/buy now that image was associated with then I will feel more comfortable looking to buy some for experimentation.

As for the pressure, each person is quite different on this topic. So far I've found staying with either for long periods don't work for me. I'm mixing it (from 2-3 to whopping 10-12) and I've been seeing improvements again. In the past, breaks did nothing but let me see how tiny I was and no "breakthroughs" following. This break was the first where I *think* I grew during it and I kept my B status. Funny too, I only did it to remove the possibility for red marks and such when visiting the doctor for routine blood work. He didn't even notice I had small breasts. lol

Kinda makes a person insecure, you know? No one noticing poor little me... *sniff* *sniff* lol

DJ

 

[dminer84]

You're guesses are as good as mine right now. I'm just sitting here with a tight 38C wondering, "what happened?!"

As for the discharges, I'm not had any redness, pain, tightness or dark fluid. It is just clear, thick but sticky and happens when I strongly manipulated my breasts or I can express it too (just enough to wet a fingertip a several times -- hence, sticky breasts during massage). However, I'll definitely heed your warning. I've never knew a woman to experience it around me but I do know it can cause problems or be painful.

And I do know about the overdose potential of muscle rub. I put barely a dime sized patch on each breast. I know doing this twice a day is well below danger levels with a 10%/1% mixture that I have. My dad loves the stuff and puts *far* more on himself. lol I never had a need and didn't like the feel until today... It made my breasts feel better after pumping... go figure.

DJ

 

[tim odom]

Hey DJ tim here. got through reading thru you site and saw how you went to the store and got some attention. THis is what I was telling you. You will be surprised in that people will smile and keep you smiling as well with the boobs showing. Great job DJ. Go out there the next time with your pushup bra on and a tight top, then smile at ESP the women and they will smile back. They do me at least. Here is the web site for the Twist type nipple pumps Dustin was telling you about. I got his for him and He Loooves them. I do also love them as they make my nipples very sensitive to touch for a long time afterwards esp ifr I do not wear a bra and the nipples rub my t shirt. THe site is as follows DHGate.com you then can make the choice of the price you want to pay. I would suggest in buying the fullset of 4 this way you can grow into them as in the NB cups.Here is 2 pics of the ones Dustin and I both have.

 

[dminer84]

Well, I looked on that site and it is one of the worst sites for commerce I've run across in a long time. Impossible to find what you're referring to. Gave up after 15 minutes fighting with the lack of any sensible UI.

DJ

 

[bjay100]

There could be a lot of confusing info about cupping.

Basically, it's a very old practice, used a lot by ancient civilizations. Historically, glass cups were used. Alcohol was put in the cup, ignited, and then quickly placed on the body. The cup would suck some tissue up. Now we have the luxury of either pumped cups or squeezy silicone cups.

It was used for healing, massage, pain, and tissue regeneration. Today people still use it for pain, massage, cellulite reduction, facial massage, skin rejuvenation, etc. It is thought it brings increased blood flow to the area and helps break up adhesions and stiff areas of the body, bringing a suppleness.

Cupping can be used over acupuncture spots, trigger points, stressed or injured areas. There also a technique called "wet" cupping, which I kind of just think is gross, and involves bloodletting. So just ignore "wet" cupping stuff if you Google it lol.

I think it might help you as far as a deeper massage, but maybe you are too young to need any of the other benefits.

If you were to try it, I would just buy one cup...the small body size. (typical sizes are large body, small body, small facial, and mini facial/eyes) . They range from $2 to $6 for one small body cup.

That ebay kit was here, but you probably don't need a big fancy set: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SILICONE-MASSAGE-VACUUM-BODY-AND-FACIAL-CUPS-SET-ANTI-CELLULITE-CUPPING-UK-/281060518182

This is the cheapest I've found so far, but not sure if it's one or two cups. http://www.amazon.com/silicone-Massage-Cupping-Anti-cellulite-BoolavardTM/dp/B00M8HHV6E/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

 

[tim odom]

??? Do not know why you had a hard time . After you posted the Igave up, I went to the site and it took me straight to the nipple pumps. Is this not what you are wanting or what are you wanting???? ???

 

[dminer84]

@BoobiePower

Thanks for the info and links. It sounds like an interesting idea but at this point, I don't see how I could effectively use it. There is far too much assumed information in everything I've encounted that I just do not know.

Have you ever tried to learn where acupuncture points are? It is nearly impossible without a mentor and I've seen enough when someone has attempted to demostrate on me that I either respond atypically or they too do not know. I've baffled more than a couple "specialists" who do the stuff for a living.

As far I've been able to discover thus far.. it is just a localized stationary low vacuum point ranging from 20-75mm in width. How is this different than a NB dome on very mild pressure besides much larger area and vacuum level? I got NB's nipple domes which are in that size range but with still the weight of the plastic and tubing, it would be impossible to reproduce the low level vacuum.

But I'm still open if you can help me understand its application you had in mind.

@Tim

Perhaps you did not read or forgotten that I am functionally blind. I must adapt a web page into forms which I can use. That site has done every wrong thing to make that process impossible. For me, it is equivalent to a blank page. What bits are visible is just a super high level list of category names. I used google to try to penetrate the site which will give links into the site that produce search results. They are 100+ hits of some of the worse Engrish (bad chinese-based English) and no specifications.

As you have referred a specific item (a 4 set of graduated sizing [unspecified measure]), I simply asked for a direct link to the item. See how BoobiePower in a previous reply did this? Those took me directly to her intended references and those sites are accessible. I cannot shop by picture as one image looks the same to me until I focus enormous amounts of attention and effort to decipher it. Here is an example.. I don't wish to be insulting but to me your provided images.... it looked like a dart in a highly deformed board... that's all I got from it. That's how my brain interpreted it. And I know it isn't but websites aren't going to have you in it. So the image doesn't provide the intented help.

On this forum, I do this effort because I have great desire to be helpful, encouraging and to learn from people here. Flatty_natty would be shocked to know I spent 20 minutes (over 5 passes) trying to make sense of her recent pics (I'm so sensitive to lighting). Thankfully, that's an extreme case on here but I regularly spend 2-5 minutes per picture. But she has been doing pumping for a long time and I know I can learn something from her -- so, I know that time will be fruitful in the end.

So just remember that everyone is different and has unique abilities and inabilities. What you can do, someone else cannot is very true. For example, I have an intenal clock that can be accurate within 1-2 seconds and I've never found another who can do it (they have tried). I believe it only some thought and empathy to find ways someone cannot do a task. To me, this is a vital skill in socializing and it is something I wish modern times would promote...

Anyway, a direct link is what I desire.

DJ

 

[tim odom]

Sorry DJ. My bad. I will try to get better at this for everyones benefit.

 

[dminer84]

Wow.. today is a weird day. This muscle rub stuff is definitely exciting. So far, it has extended my swelling by many hours. I worn my 38C all day and it never got loose and I started bulging in it. Tonight, I did the routine again on top of the remains of most of my morning swelling. I put that 38C back on and it was too small. I got a 40C (biggest they got) in the same style and I'm filling it. I can't believe it. My boobs are protruding farther than the width of my hands and I just feel huge. Crazy.

DJ

 

[dminer84]

Week 042

Bust: 44.75"
Underbust: 37.25"

What a week and evidenced by the number of posts I've had. My huge swelling ended up lasting 3 hours before returning into "usual" territory. I actually slept in my 38C to test if a bra was extending my swell times. So far, I'm getting contrdicting data points so I am thinking there is no relation. It has been over 12 hours and I don't have that "swelling" feel.

However, I do feel quite noticeably bigger and my underboob is very different today. There is so many differences I was compelled to measure. I am seeing +1/2 inch bust and -1/4 underbust for a total +3/4 inch in the spread. The surprising piece is the underboob. I don't think it is visible yet but wow do I feel it. It is much thicker now and bending in the torso is getting really to feel strange since I would say the skin is folding about 1.5" lower today.

Oddly, I'm not feeling as depressed about being "small" again. I usually hate the big swell because I'm always feeling cheated the next day. I suppose the fact I'm not the same small size is helping. They feel heavier, take more space in my hands, and distractingly bouncier. So, I'm just feeling like I got something that I might be keeping.

I must say I never imagined filling that 40C (should I call it 38D for consistency?) this soon. I wouldn't call it pretty since it is all pointy and such. However, I discovered when massaging that both hands couldn't hold the entire breast. There was always a bit more left somewhere. It was even more pronounced when bent over in dangling fashion. As male, I've loved that about women's breast but I was unprepared for how it could feel to have them. I'm afraid to report I'm in deeper love with it than ever. I got to experience sizable breast mounds when lying on my back too. Another facet I was unprepared to believe how wonderful that feels. I like to use a heating pad when laying down and seeing a large mound under it was quite rewarding too. It made me realize when I get to my desired size, I'm probably going to need two of them since I couldn't cover all of my breast tissue in a 40C. :b

Oh, I do have a funny story to tell from yesterday. I was organizing and cleaning out some boxes. Now, I've not done this for awhile and so here I am in a shirt, bra and shorty shorts with a very large swell happening. Now, I do much of everything by tactile sense and muscle memory. I had two boxes piled on a chair at a height that required me to bend a bit to reach into it. I totally forgot to compensate for my recent projection and bending always extends it out more. Combine that with 1+ inch in swelling, I managed to catch the box flap on my underboob just below the nipple as I bent, scrap up and over the bra and "boing" my boobs rather hard. As this was completely unexpected and intense sensation, I scared the hell out of myself. It felt like I'd been grabbed, pinched and pulled on the nipples and dropped suddenly. I came close to squealing like a woman. My heart raced for the longest time and I was so embarrassed and distrubed by the "afterglow" of the contact.

So, I want to see if I continue to respond strongly to the routine and I'm hoping what I'm feeling now is actual growth.

DJ

Quick Update: I'm back in the 40C but it's a bit loose. Still, I think I'm going to have to find a 40D/38DD in the coming weeks if this keeps up.

 

[dminer84]

I can't believe I'm sitting here annoyed that I can't find 38D/DD/E in the similar playtex lines. I just want to line up the next "comparison" line. It seems playtex doesn't do much past D. A year ago, I was sitting here as well, angry I couldn't find a good 40A (and a 38A was super tricky too). My current line caps at C and similar styles is D.

Hard to believe my swelling can be so big now. A 40C/38D may not seem all that big on a person of my size but it really is a handful and a half. I barely got the 38C a few weeks ago and on a hunch ordered the 40C quckly. It isn't like I've outgrown them but my swelling is.. I've stretched my 38B up pretty bad so I would like to avoid that with the 38C and 40C. So, I'm in the market for Playtex Cross Your Heart, lightly lined styles at 38D/DD/E or/and 40D/DD to have on hand. When I need it... it is a surprise. If any spots one, I'd appreciate a yell.

DJ

 

[dminer84]

What in the world in happening...

I finished my pumping session a little bit ago. I fell asleep and stayed in the domes a bit longer than expected. Before I took them off, it registered on my sleep fogged mind that I was nearly 3/4 into the XLs. I still have that awful void of an underboob but my nipples were very close to the 3/4 mark.

So I got another massive swelling, even bigger than my first one that drove me to the 40C. My 40C is pretty full but not snug or such -- I would need a bit more projection for that. I'm like 3 times normal size. What I saw in the mirror made my jaw drop. I can't see myself going much bigger for awhile as my skin was really stretched and notable flush red color (from the heating pad).

This is some heady stuff and I still have massage to do and my hands just aren't big enough to cover all that area. I'm going to have to get creativity.

DJ

 

[dminer84]

Just wanted to mark the day I was tempted to wear a bra to work due to the size of my boobs after pumping in the morning. Crazy stuff happening. I was being a busty 38C as I left and they missed the support -- a first.

And another first, someone finally "gender slipped" on me today. A security guard I say bye to as I leave work for the last 3+ years, called me "sweetheart" today and got all flustered when he realized it. It was a hoot and a bit of the thrill... almost a victory in a very odd way that I'm still trying to understand myself.

I can't blame him.. I got long hair, small boobs (under radar still) and full bottom. Seriously, my work pants are nearly form fitting in the bottom and groin -- barely 1/2" of cloth to pinch with effort. Men's pants always have a gap in the groin -- gone! It has taken awhile to get used to that (and rearrangement). It is impossible to walk without wiggling so I stopped trying and just have fun now. All those signs finally got someone.. lol

DJ

 

[dminer84]

It is amusing sometimes how quickly I can lose prespective in NBE. For example, I've been feeling alot of frustration. I find myself saying, "still too small" and this week was packed with those words.

As I was massaging "little" rightie, I was working on the exercise of trying to describe it since this seems to help me appreciate things more. While I was rolling its main mass in a circle, I was reminded of a grapefruit. I could imagine if I was flat again, puting a grapefruit under my skin and it would atleast be similar in size. Of course, leftie was a bigger grapefruit (all after pumping).

Then I recalled I've done this type of association before but with smaller fruits. Plums and kiwis.. small apple or peach... a big apple... and now I'm thinking about grapefruits... Then it hit me, why am I so frustrated when I can clearly recall this line of ever increasing fruits. Yeah, I want that honeydew melon association but I should really enjoy that fact I am seeing progress in my steady and swollen states.

I still haven't quite figured out how to massage a larger breast for NBE purposes. With my swells floating in the 38C/D range, it is presenting a bit of challenge especially when I'm trying to not get uhm.. distracted. In the videos out there, they just show people mashing down but my intuition suggests that's not effective. Ah well, I'll figure something out.

DJ

 

[dminer84]

Week 043

No stats measured

Yet another week bites the dust. I'm slowly getting used to recent my big swells. They do appear to last quite long since I usually have about 12 hour spans on work days and find a bit left. But it still feels strange in the morning especially when I put my shirt on these days. After pumping, I'm getting to a close fitting in the bust area and really baggy in the waist.

This week I've used the XLs exclusively and still got the huge swells. So, I think I finally made the transition (wasn't getting much swelling with just them). In fact, I've seen a pretty big change in the domes. My underboob void has filled up about an inch in there.

I'm thinking I'll still use the L domes for awhile since it really stretched the nipple area but I'm clearly too big for them now with all the bulging tissues on the outside now.

That reminds me of another change in the last couple of weeks. I used to have to really fight to keep those domes (both L and XL) close to my center. I just don't seem to need to fight for it anymore. It was really bad when I lifted my arms to head or higher -- not any more. In fact, I would fart off if I reached too far. I realized most of this due my norming hair brushing. My hair has gotten fairly long now and brushing in the back and under will cause me to reach nearly to my full arm length. But the domes just stay put and really pull on my breasts now. I swear I feel them slip in a bit deeper when I'm done. Come to think of it... In general my protrusion isn't vanishing when I reach far or lift my arms.

Otherwise, it seems my breasts are slowly gaining in fullness. I'm constantly misjudging distances when my breasts are involved. Most recent example had me squeezing between car seats to fish out the driver's escaped phone from under his seat. Everything was fine until I stretched to reach and my boobs got pulled in the narrow area.

I suppose I should be happy about these annoyances. In fact, I'm putting my bra in the morning right after pumping. I've found my dressing routine needs it. The simple acts of brushing teeth and applying deodorant to be far too stimulating without a bra. It is still bad with one but I can stay focused. I'm hoping when I'm larger that things will improve as I'll be able to avoid the nipple and arm contact again.

Let see.. I've found my Goddess 40B (bigger than my Playtex 38C) has proven to be a great way to massage my underboob and work on stretching and softening it. When I have that one on, it really lifts me up (see the grapefruit post ). I may end up switching to them as those run to very large sizes (usually G-J easily). Sadly, they are meant for large breasts and support so it is a very strong and thick bra making it visible under clothes especally on someone as small as I am.

DJ

 

[dminer84]

Well, I had my courage tested this evening while at the grocery store. I had another huge swelling this afternoon and even waiting 3 hours, it still hadn't shrunk much. So I threw on my biggest seamless bra and went.

I have a hell of a time in the produce area but I ran across a helpful young man from my last visit. I had remembered a couple of items I just never can find myself and we ended up going around the store. At one point, he decided to put his hand on the middle of my back.... I rarely find myself feeling like I'm about to freak out but this was one of those moments. Thankfully, I believe I kept myself together but there is no way he did not feel my bra. Considering he lingered, I'm very sure. You know, it is odd how the body will react under extreme stress. I could have sworn my boobs were pulsing during that episode.

Since no thunderbolts or denouncements happened, I obviously over reacted. We parted a few moments later but it will be interesting to see how he reacts to me in the future. Now that I'm thinking about it, there was no hiding my boobs since they were projecting way out there. Still, I feel silly since I did "sign up" for this. lol

DJ

 

[dminer84]

I've been experimenting with light to mild pumping for very long periods (8+ hours). It hardest part has been trying to sleep with these XLs domes. But so far, the results are interesting. I've been able to reach my loose 40C size without the usual tight inflammation style of swelling of previous experiences. It is a very different type of swelling.. very soft skin and full mounds.. quite more "natural" feeling.

I'm taking a small break and will reapply fresh oil and going on. I think I can reach a very full 40C. The oddest sensations have been happening during these experiment. I've been getting small aches keep inside the breast and tingles in the nipples that can turn rather arousing. Also, I've been shocked by solid my seal on the XLs have become. Sleeping on my side with them is much more practical now since it's like I'm being pulled into the domes and sealing around the breast tissue instead of glued to the chest. It's hard to describe but the net effect is the domes stay flexibly on my chest but I can easily lift my arms around my head without losing seal. Interesting stuff..

Anyway, back to it

DJ

 

[dminer84]

Week 044

No stats measured

A quiet week for me on the NBE. My long pump experiments so far just seem to have gotten me a tender chest under my breasts. I did notice notable underboob changes in the domes but nothing outside of them. So, I'm taking a break to allow the skin sensitivty to clear/heal up. Naturally, I'm feeling flat as a board again since I don't have +1-2 cup increase in swelling.

Honestly, I'm feeling fairly low as this is now 1 year of NBE and in Dec will be 1 year of NB and I see very little permanent in growth. It is all swelling and flees from my chest in 2-6 hours. I have been reminding myself that I do have small breasts now but the lack of underboob has robbed them of much impression making capability.

These feelings have been leading to some deep introspection. I've always wanted large breasts since I was very young and sad when puberty came that I didn't get any since my body was rather feminie already. So I manged to keep going with some self-esteem for the passing decades. However now I am actively pursuing breast growth and find myself gaining in other feminine ways as well, I have begun to wonder about this topic of transgender and transsexuality. Is my breast desire a form of these ideas?

I find myself looking awful in men's clothing lately and generally uncomfortable. I have long hair now and even allowing my finger nails to grow out. I find myself concerned with people's comfort and emotions much more often. Also, I just get "moved" way more easily. Finally, I have been seriously considering developing a feminine voice. In short, I believe I'm just acting more and more like a feminine role is expected.

But not once did I desire or believe I wanted to *be* a woman. I can't deny liking these changes and I've been feeling happier... And I just find myself attracted further along these paths. Frankly, I know I'm quite confused and frustrated.

Ah well, I realize this isn't an appropriate forum for these matters but I am feeling quite low and need to vent a little. I wish I had an outlet for this stuff that was compatible with my needs.

DJ

 

[dminer84]

Week 045

No stats measured

It has been a depressing week. It seems I'm back in the slump and I'm not seeing any changes. Even the big swells have vanished. The positive I have been able to notice deals with my out of the dome shape shortly upon completion of a session. I am starting to see notable swelling in the underboob area. Also, I discovered this week that my nipples have developed little dimples on the tips. I found it completely by accident when exercising on my side. Call me silly but I think it is adorable.

Another discovery I wish I had not experienced happen this week too. Being functionally blind means I collide with things from time to time and usually hard. Until my last occasion, I have managed to protect my boobs. Not this time, I hit on my left breast with full force. I had never imagined my breast could hurt that much. It was on par with men getting hit in the groin. Intense white pain that steals your breath and seems to be all encompassing. I ended up stopping my pumping for a couple of days since it stung for hours especially when the nipple harden.

I'll just have to hang in there and let my drops of effort build up.

DJ

 

[beckums]

Hi there DJ.
I found a comment you made back and February and wanted to paste it here to remind you of what you possible expectations were for one year in, at the time.
hopefully this sparks some encouragement to keep your head up

Re: I am a cup C and want to be a D
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2014, 01:48:49 AM »
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It will happen if you put the time and effort into this. And don't be afraid to participate on the forums since I find it helps stay encouraged and should you help another -- that's like icing on the cake! My minimum goal is a D too (I dream of H!) and I'm prepared for it to take 5 years. I hope it doesn't but I'm not going to be crying at 1 year and I'm only a large A/small B.

Let's have fun with this and play around. The D will come along faster if you're not watching for the "water to boil".

DJ