Padded Hell's Program

[Padded Hell]

Lexuswoman,

I don't think to noise of the BB machine is too bad myself. It's strangely hypnotic & I've fallen asleep using it a few times before. I think my OH is just making a fuss!

Your BE aquaintance seems like the right person to ask, if he has his own NBE forum. He must really know his stuff! Have you heard back from him yet? Maybe he's drowning in requests for boobie-related answers. There's a lot of desperate ladies out there (myself included ;D).

I've heard good things about Greenbush herbs, so I hope it works out for you . You've got to try every avenue when it comes to NBE. I hope you'll be Ok with them healthwise, but you sound like you know what you're doing by ramping them up slowly. That way, you can monitor any possible side effects or reactions etc. Would your husband be unhappy if he knew you were taking them? Are you still going to continue NB while on the herbs?

I've started to notice sort of a pattern when I use NB/BB. I seem to go months & months without any growth, then suddenly a small change to my boobs appears. So, I've probably got a few frustrating months ahead of me now . I wish I knew how to speed up the stalling periods between growth spurts :-\

So, do you think your husband discovered your boobie-apparatus in the cupboard? I've never actually let my OH see me in my full NB glory, so to speak. I always wear a fleece zip-up top when I'm noogling/or using BB. Although, he tried my NB once, when my handpump broke & he was attempting to fix it. Well, that was his excuse anyway ;D

 

[theredpill]

This is a funny thread. You ladies are hilarious! I guess I'm not the only one who has lost growth and wondering if it's just me. I was ready to give up Noogling this morning, but after reading this entire thread, I feel encouraged.

 

[theredpill]

This is a funny thread. You ladies are hilarious! I guess I'm not the only one who has lost growth and wondering if it's just me. I was ready to give up Noogling this morning, but after reading this entire thread, I feel encouraged.

 

[lexuswoman]

Hey PH!

Funny you should mention falling asleep while hooked up to the BB machine, maybe for you its soothing, like white noise. I have one of those white noise machines and I think I sleep better since I began using it 5 years ago. And, I don't think my husband did see my Brava or he would've said something by now.

I did hear back from my BE acquaintance, he recommended Greenbush kit #3, the liquid herbal extracts (saw palmetto, wild yam and fenugreek), however he didn't go into much detail as to what I should massage with, if i should use a bit of all 3 or just one of them. He also was going to give me an option for a stronger external massage batter if I want to stick with externals only and then maybe add in herbs later on. And he never said if I should start drinking Bustea again. I'll just start slow and if something seems wrong, I won't take it anymore. Hell, I had good luck with what i was doing in May, I just don't know why things went the opposite way. He also has a theory that its better to start a program in the spring or summer, rather than in the winter, something to do with the body naturally stores fat in the winter and you get less sunlight. His forum is very educational, its ashame he's locked it to new members, the only reason he let me in is because I've known him for 8 years. I could PM you some articles that might be of interest to you if you'd like. Some of his wording is over my head though!

My husband probably wouldn't want me taking herbs because he would just say, it won't work. Again, when I started my program I didn't tell him because I knew he would either 1) tell me I was wasting my time and that I didn't need bigger boobs or 2) he would tell me every hour on the hour, "Oh your boobs look bigger, I bet they're growing!". I needed to start and see if it would work for me and if he noticed, which he finally did 3 and a half months later, that what i was doing was working. And, if it didn't work, I wouldn't have to share my humiliation and disappointment. My BE contact did say that my results sounded good and that I should be able to acheive them again. Let's hope so!

I'm also thinking about making chicken feet soup. I called two of my grocery stores asking for chicken feet and they were like, whaaaaat? ??? I finally found them at an Asian supermarket somewhat close to my house. I know Sunsetz ate it all the time and man, she was busting out of her bras. What herbs are you presently taking?

For now, no Noogling or Brava, just my video and massage. After my BE contact gives me clearer information, I'll make a decision and then start my new program on the first day of my next period. Since i just finished one last week, I've got time. I might even just start back on my Enhancement Blend and Bustea. I told him that I work full time and am busy and can't devote every waking moment to boob growing. One thing I will start doing once I start back on herbs is after my massage putting plastic wrap on my chest and then adding a heating pad on low for an hour. If you want me to PM you some text of the articles, let me know, you just might find something that would help you! Have a great day!

Lex'

 

[Padded Hell]

Lexuswoman,

Your white noise machine sounds interesting. I developed tinnitus a few years back (thankfully it was temporary, brought on by my neuromuscular probs) & the only thing that helped me sleep was detuning a radio to white noise. I didn't know they made machines specifically for this though.

Glad you heard back from you BE buddy . Looks like you were on the right track with your chosen herbs. I only use herbs in the form of teas, spearmint in follicular & fennel in luteal. I might try GR tea when I'm noogling to help with swelling though. I use FG & GR as externals (used with a heatpad for 20-30 mins).

I wanted to try CFS too! I've had no such luck finding chicken feet here in the UK . That's why I've started eating gelatin, as a substitute. I read over on Breast nexus somewhere, that you need 3-6g gelatin a day for it to have any effect on your boobs. More than 6g would be even better. You'll be getting tons with CFS! Your current bras days are numbered ;D
I also read that gelatin can help you retain your boobbs during/after AF. Don't know if there's any truth in this, but AF's around the corner for me, so I'll report back if I manage to hold onto anything this time. It's all about the jelly these days ;D

Btw, I'd love to read some of your BE friends articles. It you could PM me, that'll be great. Thanks in advance

 

[Padded Hell]

Theredpill,

Thanks for reading through the trials & tribulations of the boobie-challenged & obsessed!

Best of luck on starting your boob journey . Most of us here have experienced boob-shrinkage of some sort, so you're in good company! It's so annoying, but they WILL bounce back, just hang in there

 

[lexuswoman]

Hey PH!

The noise machine I use is called a Sound Oasis. It comes with 6 preset sounds and you can buy different sound cards for it & have like ocean waves, rain, nighttime sounds, waterfalls, but I like the plain old white noise. I know you can get one from Amazon.com I'm sure they ship to the UK. Or ebay.

Yes! I'll be happy to PM you some articles that might help, unfortunately, I can't just send links because you couldn't sign in to see them. His forum is locked to new members (don't know why), the only reason he let me join was that I've known him for 8 years. Oh and there's a good, easy recipe for chicken feet soup on the board that I'll send you. I found the chicken feet at an Asian Supermarket, I'm sure there has to be one in the UK where you could get them. The only thing I don't know is whether you're supposed to eat the feet or not. I think the broth is what has the good stuff in it! I know my husband's gonna love it when we have that for the first time!! :

My friend recommended fenugreek for my external massage and fennel for tea. I think I'm going to just start using the Enhancement blend liquid (fenugreek, saw palmetto, wild yam) instead of taking a bunch of pills, it would be too hard for me to try to take all that stuff to work everyday, one little bottle is much easier! Plus, I already used the EB most of May when I had my really good month. Then I'll just use liquid fenugreek for my massage and get some powdered fennel to make tea. Greenbush has all this and they have very good instructions on their site. So, that's my plan and to maybe start Noogling, Barbie11's pictures from this morning inspired me!

Anyways, hope things start busting out for you, are you still listening to any kind of hypnosis scripts?

Have a great day!

Lex'

PS- I just PM-ed you some articles that might be of interest!

 

[minnie34]

Hello guys and gals, I'm back from my break!!
Welcome on board Theredpill, like PH says, we've experienced boobie loss as well (PM cream was the culprit of mine, of that I am sure!!)
PH, you're so funny - cayenne pepper in your boobie batter. Absolutely brilliant! It should be beneficial though as it aids circulation. Maybe add a bit of ginger too, for that extra umph??!!

So, the good news is that I didn't lose anything during this extended break. Luteal is being very, very good to me too, although I expect that AF has arrived for you now PH?
I am still on the candida elimination diet and while we were away, we were passing the town we lived in for a few years a good while back. I decided to pop into the Health Food shop as I remembered them being very, very good and I got some really interesting information from one of the. To make a long story short, I am off all hormones - no PC, no AG. What they recommended was a total cleanse of the liver first so they gave me milk thistle, but before using that, one has to be regular or else all the toxins go into the body instead. And as you might know, one of the downsides with candida is lack of regularity....So I have to up intake of linseeds, flax oil and so on. But I found it so interesting; she was basically saying that excess estrogen can basically be slushed back into the body when the liver isn't cleansed. Whether it's true or not remains to be seen, but since PMS is also one of the many, many side effects of that f***** candida, I decided to give it a try anyway.

So all I do now is FG batter for massage, I am waiting for GR batter to be ready and use it during follicular - this time with crushed seeds
Apart from that, I will just have to pray to all the boobie gods that the NB will work its magic. Next week I start my noogling marathon, I am thinking 2.5 - 3 hours in the morning and hopefully at least 2 hours in the evening. After those 2 weeks, I will only noogle every second day. I have to, for my sanity. It was so liberating in a way not to noogle for those 8 days - all my evenings have been consumed with this contraption and as I'm now in my 19th month of noogling, it is time to take a step back for a while and try to let this full-time obsession become a part-time obsession. Famous last words!!! ;D
However, I found that even though I hadn't noogled for over a week, the swelling was actually pretty good. Granted, I'm in luteal phase but even hubby hubby said "ooooh, big!!" as I took the cups off the other evening. Now that never happens, we're waaay passed him even looking at this stage - the NB has become part of the decoration in this house

We shall see. Either way, it's kind of nice not to be experimenting with hormones anymore. I'm just re-reading your post about gelatin....Tell me more please? God, these boobies are going to be very expensive!!!

 

[Matt B]

Hey Minnie,welcome back.That lady at the health food store is right.I do a cleanse twice a year that encompasses the liver as well.
It's a Natures Sunshine Tao HE Cleanse.It's Chinese formula is awesome.
Glad to see you didn't lose anything,cuz you are still my boobie inspiration. ;D

Matt

 

[theredpill]

Hey Minnie,

yes cleansing is important for removal of candida, but to maintain a clean intestinal tract, eat some coconut oil every day. I have been doing this for years and it works wonders (I used to have candida overgrowth as well). I avoid flour and sugar, so I buy flourless bread (Ezekiel, available at Whole Foods or Trader Joes), and spread extra virgin coconut oil on my toast every morning. Candida hates coconut!

I have been practicing Ayurveda for years (traditional Indian medicine) and have completely eliminated drugs & chemicals out of my diet. Eliminating candida has really changed my life.

On another note, how much permanent growth have you ladies experienced and how long have you been noogling? I started at the beginning of May 2012 (so exactly 2 months) and have only gained 2 cm. Not sure if that counts as permanent growth as I have not sipped a day yet.

 

[Padded Hell]

Theredpill,

I think the 2cm growth you've had in 2 months is pretty good going! It sounds like you're dedicated to noogling too, which always helps . Took me AGES before i saw anything. As it is, I'm an agonisingly slow responder to NB, & it's coming up to my 2 yr NB anniversary in September , but I've gained around 1.5" -2" (depending on which boob ). I still have a looong way to go, but I'm very happy ;D

 

[Padded Hell]

Minnie,

Good to have you back, and great to hear that you didn't lose anything on your break! You're doing well considering you're still on the 'all-you-can't-eat' candida diet .

Well, psychic twin, you've done it again! I used to do little 'mini-cleanses' usually on the first 2 days of AF, and for some reason or other I thought I'd do one this month, and there you are talking about cleanses & milk thistle etc! I think the total liver cleanse is a good idea. Flush out all the excess hormones out of your system & then start over. It'll help get rid of all the dead candida toxins lurking about too. The reason i chose NB was because it's the non-hormone route, and slowly herbs & other whatnots have started creeping in :

I use ground linseed too. I put 1tbsp of wheatgerm & 1tbsp of ground linseeds (both boob-friendly!) on my cereals every morning. Apart from the..ahem...'regularity' benefit, I find it keeps me away from using sugar on my cereals.

Oh noooo, I'm on the BB machine & it looks like it's going to start thundering & lightning again (which happened yesterday!). Looks like I'll be adding electricution to my list of boobie mishaps, puts my cayenne pepper incident in the shade ;D
Actually, I'm still using a tiny amount of cayeene in my NB oil, and I think it's definately helping my circulation. Haven't had purple nipple/boobs since, touch wood!

I hope your noogling marathon brings you some good results! It'll be like your very own olympics!. My 2nd BB marathon is in full swing. I've got another 5 weeks left until I stop for a couple of weeks again. I feel like this time I've had very noticeable signs of growth. A dimple has appeared on my left boob which wasn't there before & directly underneath it is new growth!!!! I'm over the moon . Maybe my left boob is finally catching up!

Ok, let's talk gelatin... I don't know whether it's just a coincidence, but since I've been eating the stuff, I've started seeing boobie improvements. I'm using Dr Oetkers fine leaf gelatin(it comes in sheet form, not granules). Basically, I just make ordinary jellies out of the gelatin. I use cordial/fruit juice, which I dilute with water, to make them. It's more about getting the gelatin into you in a palateable way. Some girls at Breast Nexus, bought the granular sort of gelatin & ate a tsp of it, a few times a day. Tbh, the though of doing that made me gag! I eat one jelly a day, in the evening as a little snack. If you want any more details, just let me know . I warn you though, I'm carrying more timber on my thighs already, & how long before the jelly belly appears? . BUT, it's days 4 of AF (usually one of my 'flat' days) & boobs are holding steady!!! I was pleasantly surprised this morning!I still have day 7 (the other 'spot the boobs' day. Grrrr!) to get over, but I'm hoping I might have found a 'deflation deterrent'!!!! ;D

 

[Padded Hell]

Lexuswoman,

Thank you for the articles. I PM-ed you back . I used to have one of those sound oasis machine, although, instead of white noise, it had the sound of a heartbeat (unfortunately, that was the exact sound I was experiencing with my tinnitus at the time! Double the insanity. NOOOO!!!)

I did go to an asian supermarket here, to try to find the chicken feet, but they said they were 'too specialist' & didn't know where I'd be able to buy them from . Have you tried them yet? It's optional, whether you want to eat the chicken feet or not. I think the broth is the most important part to eat though . Your husband's going to think you've finally cracked ;D, then he may go on hunger strike!!

How are the herbs going? Is the boobie-plan in action yet?

I thought the same thing about Barbie11's boobs. Wow, really inspired me too! I must write something on her thread, 'cause I was blown away . Some girls get all the luck!

 

[lexuswoman]

Hey PH!

The boobie plan is launched, my herbs should be here today and I'm just waiting for my period to start so I can being them on day 1. So, we'll see how it goes, I'm hoping that I have the same luck I did in May and things will come back to life!

My husband already thinks I've cracked when the first pot of chicken feet soup is cooked, that will be just be further proof of my insanity! He's had to "suffer" through a few dinners containing tofu, so I doubt he'd go for this. No, I haven't gotten them yet, the asian supermarket is about 20 minutes away from where I live, but by the time I get off work, I don't want to get in the traffic to go over there, so I'll have to remember to do it during a weekend. I did read about some of the yummy things you can add to the broth. Mushrooms, green onions, bokchoy, water chestnuts all sound really delish! We'll see if its a bra busting receipe!

That's a bummer about your sound machine, the newer ones are nice because they have 5 or 6 preset sounds, plus you can get sound cards for more variety. But, the plain old white noise suits me fine!

OK, its our turn for the visits from the boobie fairy! Sprinkle some magic boobie dust our way!

Have a great day!

Lexus

 

[minnie34]

PH, first of all let me tell you how very, very happy I am to hear that you can see signs of growth. Boy have we been waiting for the day that we could put that in print!!
That is such excellent news and it is all down to your sheer determination. I can well believe that you are over the moon, fantastic news! I hope this is just the beginning and that your boobs have now copped on to what they are supposed to do. That A cup by the end of the year suddenly became within reach eh?? ;D

Very funny that you've been doing a mini cleanse too. It's almost spooky but yes, psychic twins we are!!
I have started using the milled linseeds on my natural yogurt, together with a spoon of flax oil. It's such a vicious circle as the candida prevents regularity, and one of the most important things is to cleanse the colon. I ended up taking some Epsom salt over the weekend....So disgusting but it did the trick. Won't be doing that too often though, yuck!!! In the meantime, I am also doing other liver-friendly things like lemon and hot water first thing in the morning, dandelion tea, leafy green veg, avocado, walnuts etc. I don't think I've ever been this healthy before!!

So, tomorrow will be your day 7? I am keeping all my fingers crossed for you, but even if they deflate a little, it might not be total deflate. Here's to hoping!! Day 3 for me today and of course, I can see the difference between now on luteal, which was unusually good to me this month. It's hilarious actually; the other day I noogled 2.5 hrs in the morning, 1 hr after lunch and 2.5 hrs in the evening. You'd think that I'd have exceptional swelling, but not so. I'm telling you - my boobs are made out of stone!! It struck me though, that even when I take the cups off, they're still not as big as I'd like them to be in real life. My goal post has definitely been moved - I used to think that I'd be sooooo happy with the swelling as my permanent size but not anymore. Did anyone say greed??
Anyway, there's no risk of that - if I could get to an A, I should be happy with that!!

Thank you for the information about gelatin. Hmmm. I must say that it sounds really, really tempting apart from increasing the jelly in places where there already is too much. This elimination diet has been great - I've lost weight and since I plan to stay off refined sugar + most gluten products I might manage to keep it off.... Do you think that collagen would be helpful too? There must be a reason you picked gelatine over collagen though, do you reckon it is way more effective?

Theredpill, thank you so much for the tip - I appreciate any tips coming my way!! Funnily enough I have been taking cocunut oil with my hot lemon in the morning, and I try to include it in my cooking when possible too. I'm glad the candida hates it. I think I'm finally getting the die-off symptoms as I've been feeling horrible the last few days - achy all over, soooo tired and cold. Not too horrible too noogle though

 

[Padded Hell]

Minnie,

Boobs are still here post-AF, but I've lost some volume :'(. Oh well, was to be expected I suppose. I'm not too discouraged though, as they are looking better than they have in a while! I do feel like we're the slowest responders on here sometimes, don't you?
I go months without anything happening, get to the brink of giving up, then see a few signs of growth & have to carry on! Arghhhh!! I'mreally trying to work out what I've actually done to cause this latest boobie progress. I did eat a shed-load of food (I was one serious carnivore ;D) last month, so maybe that has something to do with it. Then there's the gelatin consumption, the BB machine... Oh, I'm none the wiser :

How's the candida battle going? I read somewhere a few days ago, that cinnamon is anti-fungal & is good for candid sufferers. Didn't know that, did you? Thought I'd pass it on. Maybe you could add a bit to herbal tea or something?
Yuk! Don't know how you managed to get the epsom salts down you! You're on a mission, girl! ;D Have you done your liver cleanse yet? I started looking into systemic enzymes last night. The more I read about, the more I think I need them, but I've blown the 'boobie budget' this month & those pills are expensive! I've got some digestive enzyme pills that I bought ages ago & never tried for some reason, so I'm going to try those. I know it's not the same as the systemic enzymes, but maybe it'll help me digest protein better (prone to IBS, had it for the last few days, not a happy bunny )

Wow, you're really going for it with the noogling marathon! I don't understand why you're still not getting much swelling from your extended NB sessions! Do you think you've stopped responding to NB altogether? I think that's what happened to me before I got the BB machine. I think constantly varying my routine is the only thing thats been helping me, but I'm getting increasingly desperate & trying all sorts of things ;D.

Oh, the only reason why i chose gelatin over collagen caplsules is because it's cheaper! In H&B, they're about £20 (they're half price at the moment though! Yes H&B REALLY is my second home!!). Also, over on B Nexus, one of the girls said she only got results using plain old gelatin, so I figured I'd try it first. I've no experience of collagen capsule, so i can't really say if they'd work or not. They just don't work for my bank balance!! Cheapskate, moi????

What's your boob size goal now? I don't know what my goal is anymore. Just getting out of bed & doing this s**t every day, is a triumph for me at this stage ;D

 

[minnie34]

PH, I'm sorry to hear that you've lost some volume but still great news that you've retained growth too. If you feel like they're ;ooking better than they have in a while, they're probably damn hot, I know how critical you can be of the boobies!!
Yep, I feel like that too. Not only do I feel like the slowest responder ever, but I also feel like a no-responder a lot of the time.
I don't know what it is to be honest. I think I had most of my "growth" last summer when I ate lots of protein and also used the Wild Yam cream. Coincidence? Maybe. I just don't know anymore. What I do know is that it doesn't seem to make a difference whether I noogle for an hour or for seven hours, swelling wise. And that, I find very strange. Maybe my boobs simply don't want to grow, maybe I'm not able to create more tissue - who knows? Today I was thinking that perhaps I should only noogle in luteal phase, since that's the only time I get something resembling swelling. I don't know what to do to be honest.

Thank you so much for the cinnamon tip. I didn't know it was good for candida too, but I use it on my yogurt as I knew it's good for digestion. Diet is going well now, although the die-off symptoms were absolutely awful, I understand why so many people give up. Hopefully that's all over now and I will keep going with this for quite a while before I re-introduce stuff. It's been a long time that I was at the weight I now am - I've been wanting to lose 5-6 lbs for years now; I know it doesn't sound like much but now that they're gone, the difference is just amazing. And I feel really good too, all clean and fresh inside
I haven't taken the Milk Thistle yet as I want to be sure that I'm regular before I take it, don't want those horrible toxins flushed back into the body!!
Funny that you mention the systemic enzymes as I just got some and took my first tablets this morning. I shall report back to you if I see any results in any department!!

Thank you for the info on the collagen vs gelatine too. I see what you mean and I can also see how the gelatine would be more effective but the weight thing concerns me. And you're not a cheapskate, the amount of money we've both spent on supplements, teas, herbs, creams etc etc is probably close to criminal

My goal size now? Like yourself, I don't even know anymore. A C is obviously out of the question, probably a B too. But if I'm not an A by the end of the year, I'm throwing in the towel. I won't spend another two years on NBE just to get to an A cup; I'll just have stack up on Primark bras so if they ever go out of business, I'll have a secret stash. Sigh.

 

[Padded Hell]

Minnie,

My boobs are still light years away from 'damn hot' :'(. Nope, they're still tiny 'pre-teen boobies'. I threw on a t-shirt the other day (before I'd got dressed properly & put my chunky 'fake boob' bra on) and well, I just looked like I had a man's chest. No discernable curves whatsoever, this is getting so depressing . Are we doomed to spend the rest of our lives with a padded bra on at all times? We should pool our resources & start building a Primark bra mountain right now ;D

I remember how bad those candida die-off sypmtoms were. It was no joke! I had horrendous headaches & ached all over. Still, it's great news about your weightloss, you must be chuffed to bits . Hopefully, all this cleansing will help with your NBE. I'm looking forward to hearing how you get on with the systemic enzymes. Meanwhile, I'm going to try the digestive enzymes this week. I think systemic & digestive enzymes share some of the same ingredients like 'Papaya' & 'Bromelaine', don't they?

I was thinking of trying Wild Yam cream too! What brand did you use? Do you use it in luteal phase only or throughout your cycle? If I don't get to an A cup by the end of the year, I'm calling it quits too. You can only go so far, & if our boobs don't want to grow, then there's nothing thats going to make them, is there :-\. I hate admitting defeat though . Let's just keep going...*Thelma & Louise moment - headscarves on! ;D*

 

[minnie34]

PH, we are always our own worst critics. I don't even find my own boobs acceptable and happily avoid swimming pools and other places like that, because I don't want anyone to see what they really look like, underneath all that padding. But even if yours look like pre-teen boobs, I bet they're still really cute. We can be pre-teens together!!

Amazing that die-off can be that bad huh? It took me almost 4 weeks to get the symptoms and then they lasted for about a week. I was so close to chucking it in, the cravings were unreal too and you know when you're feeling so awful, all you want is to treat yourself to something nice...Well, there was one trip to the chipper but hey - it's just potatoes, right??

The Wild Yam I used was from Higher Nature. I checked it again now and it also contains Agnus Castus, Vitamin E, Aloe Vera, Dong Quai, Black Cohosh and Almond oil. Interesting combination. From what I understand, Wild Yam does not contain progesterone, nor does it convert into it when used. The active compound is apparently diosgenin. Either way, I might just give it a go again, and cycle with it this time. Last time around, I used it all the time and I saw no side effects. I picked it up in the local health food shop.

It's funny really, that our boobs seem so super resistant to growth. If I just grow a teeny tiny bit, I'll keep doing this. But I just seem to stall the whole time; sure - I have had results but looking at the bigger picture, they're not really the kind of results that I think I *should* have had at this stage. If that makes any sense? But for now dear Thelma, let's keep going. And in the meantime, let's increase our Primark stash. Just to be on the safe side, if all else fails

 

[Padded Hell]

Minnie,

I think it's so sad that our boobs sometimes dictate what we do in life. I avoid swimming pools, beaches, anywhere that makes me feel inadequate really! I don't know what is going on with my boobs . One minute they look like they're getting bigger & then they're just flat again! I'm trying so hard, but I feel like I'm still looking for that 'on' switch, to get my body to actually grow. Perhaps we're missing some vital component for boob growth, & no matter what we try without that key thing it's going to be hopeless . I'm rambling now & veering dangerously towards navel-gazing ;D. Still, for the next few months, I'm going to try every boob product going (except PM - can't cope with any more ED!). I've heard of Higher Nature, and I like the sound of the WY cream, so I might try that first & use it in luteal. I've ordered one of those bust rollers that was mentioned on Nexus. It was only a few quid so if it's rubbish or falls apart, I won't be too upset . I'm not under any illusions it's going to miraculously change things, but the chi massage seems to have zero effect on me now, so I need to try something different, massage-wise I think. I've got to get a handle on my diet too. It's gone to hell in the last few days - burgers, chips, ice-cream, all the stuff worth living for. I need those digestive enzymes more than ever

I know what you mean about stalling the whole time. My 'stalling' periods seem to get longer each time, but as soon as I get a tiny bit of growth, I get carried away thinking 'This is it! it's happening', then...another stall . Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz- that's the sound of my boobs sleeping ;D