Pueraria Mirifica (PM) - Conclusions

[Philli]

Hate to tell you this Jane, But Ainterol is cultivated PM...not grown in the 'true' areas of Thailand. Its an American 'effort' to get in on the band wagon. No Thai manufacturer sells PM in 500mg....usually 100 or 300.

Anyway, good luck with it, but if the results are not to your liking...or none at all, dont blame the Thailanders. This is not their true product.

 

[Joan_CD]

Thats the story of my life!!!!!!!!! Thanks Philli. I think I will go back and reorder some new PM!

 

[Joan_CD]

Hate to tell you this Jane, But Ainterol is cultivated PM...not grown in the 'true' areas of Thailand. Its an American 'effort' to get in on the band wagon. No Thai manufacturer sells PM in 500mg....usually 100 or 300.

Anyway, good luck with it, but if the results are not to your liking...or none at all, dont blame the Thailanders. This is not their true product.

Philli are you sure about this? The reason I ask is because when I got the package it came from Thailand. But the container the PM is in has U.S. address. I am confused!

 

[blue_sardine]

Hey all,

I'm going to chime in here as a quick voice of dissent - while I believe PM works for some, it is like anything - it doesn't work for everyone, and it can even have unpleasant side effects for those of us who are sensitive to the estrogenic effects of its phytoestrogen content. Not everything works the same way for everyone. I have a friend who went on the same contraceptive pill as me when we were 23 (we're 28 now) and her breasts grew a cup size on it, but mine didn't. Physiologically speaking, we're just not all the same!

Think about it - some of us can eat peanuts, some are allergic. Some can eat wheat, some can't etc, etc. I tried PM, and had very noticeable, quite negative side effects. They included bloating, dizziness, headaches, diarrhea, uterine pain, more cellulite and a fatter butt (or maybe it was just increased fluid retention, who knows, but the cellulite is still there, dammit), a depressed state of mind, and constant fatigue. I kept it up for 5 months (the first 2 months on 900mg a day, the last 3 months on between 200-300mg a day), and nothing happened to my breasts. I've now stopped.

I barely drank alcohol for that time (I had, like one drink a week, if that), didn't have caffeine, used positive visualisations, etc, but we're just not all the same, and not everything works for everyone! Case in point: I was recently prescribed an antibiotic for an infection that didn't work on me - I went back to the doc and they told me that that particular one doesn't work for everyone, and they prescribed me a different one, which did the job. Medicinal products and hormonal or pseudo-hormonal remedies are not a one-size-fits-all thing, and while I know PM can work, I promise you it's impossible that it would work for everyone!

 

[Philli]

Yes, it's quite true what you say. Medication, or 'magic' pills dont work for everybody. That's not to say they are useless, just not suitable to some peoples metabolism.

The thing with Ainterol is this. They cultivate it in a different area of Thailand. True PM is only grown in the North and it is the properties of the soil that make it so unique. That might sound wierd, but it is not a root that can can transported to another part of the world and grown and still have the same properties as it had in its original location.

I dont think its right to put PM down, it does work for most people...and you dont need to take massive doses of it to get results. But you must remember it is a health product which has been used for over 800 years and the the curious side effect has only recently bought it to the fore in this vanity world in which we live.

 

[MariahsDs]

I agree with you Blue Sardine.

PM is not for everyone. There is nothing out there that is really a one size fits all, because are bodies are all very different. Whether it is natural or not. I know PM effects everyone differently because I have read the numerous posts on eve's forum about different people's experiences with PM. That is why I am glad there is such a forum, so others are not led to believe something one person says, rather to gather info from a good number of people and make their decision based on that.

PM is a powerful herb, the strongest phytoestrogen that there is. So, some caution should be taken and research should be done. No one on this forum will you know body better than yourself.

I would like to say for the record, I tried Ainterol and my boobs grew. Others have tried Ainterol and their boobs did not grow. That just goes to show how PM can affect people differently. I have also talked to others who have used Ainterol and grew as well. I am not saying Ainterol will work for everyone, because that is just plain silly and ignorant for me to say. But it can work for some.

PM just may not agree with your body because it is increasing your estrogen levels, which may not need to be increased. It is all about your body and not what other people tell you.

 

[Philli]

Here's something I found in Ebay UK, for their product.:


Pueraria Mirifica
The Latest Product to Hit the Market from Pueraria.co.uk
Pueraria Mirifica is endemic plant found only in Northern Thailand where it is extracted and cultivated. Thai women have been using this herbal extract for decades to add firmness and fullness to their breasts. It works by stimulating the natural levels of estrogens in the breasts, increasing both size and firmness.

Product Features
This Product will Add 1 to 3 Cup Sizes to your breasts!
It will make them fuller and firmer by stimulating the development of the mammary tissues and glandular tissues.
This will give you much healthier skin and hair, and it helps in maintaining collagen

TV Coverage of this Product
This is product was recently featured on the television in the UK showing how this product actually worked for over 90% of women using it showing typical gains over just two months of a massive 80% increase in breast size. Further tests had then shown that this pill doesn't have to be taken repeatedly. After around two or three months, changes will be permanent and you can relax the use of the capsule.

How Reliable is this Product, and Will it Work for Me?
On tests conducted results were show that around 90% of women have a response to this product showing signs of clear, firm skin and an enlargment and enhancement of the breasts. Enlargement will be at a rate of ? to 1 inch a month for two to three months before reaching there peak. Some women will notice a difference in only five days.

And are they Safe?
Yes! 100% safe to take, with no side effects. They are also FDA Approved and Certified by Professional Herbal Scientists. No chemicals involved!

Make up your own minds.

 

[cleo]

Philli, have you tried different brands of PM or have you stuck with the same one all along? I've just started taking the Thanyaporn brand you recommended on Ebay, only two weeks in at the moment. The powder in the capsules is light brown (and smells very spicey) and I've read that it's better to take PM that is pure white. Do you have any information with regard to what colour PM should be?

 

[MariahsDs]

Cleo,

The last time talk came up about the color of PM, it got ugly!

Philli,
I am not on this forum to try to sway people to buy one product over another, I am not in the business of selling anything actually. I am on here to provide my experiences and to read the experiences of others. That is great you have had success with PM, I am not disputing that.However, it seems that every time some has an experience that is not identical to yours you get upset. There is no need to get upset or defensive. I think what other people and myself are trying to point out is that every one reacts to things differently even if it is natural. People seeking information should know that. I am not trying to argue about this, that is not my intent.

Waxingmoon can say it better than I ever could, here's some links:

http://www.noogleberry.com/forum/index.php/topic,980.15.html

http://www.noogleberry.com/forum/index.php/topic,788.0.html

I hope it helps somebody. Mariah

 

[Philli]

MariahDs.. I go back to what I said earlier and many times in the past. I can only relate my own experiences.. And, in my case, I have never had any problems with taking PM. But, what irks me, particularly about Eve's Forum, is those girls who claim to know everything about PM and HAVE NEVER taken it. One of the biggest doubters and 'mixer' of Eves's is a girl...who shall remain nameless..who claims to have bought PM 2 years ago and has not yet opened the bottle and tried it.

If people wish to try it, it's cheap enough to get hold of, and if you feel it is having a negative affect on your metabolism then STOP taking it.. It's that simple. Say, okay, I tried it, but it didn't work for me,...Not this stuff is crap, dangerous to your health and it comes from Thailand so we cant trust those asian commies. Penicillin was heralded as the greatest antibiotic ever discovered but it doesn't work for everybody...some people are even allergic to it. If people want to try PM, its up to them. If it works fine, if not...keep on Noogling.

 

[cleo]

Ok Mariah, thanks, don't want things to get ugly on here!! lol. And thanks for posting those links.

 

[Philli]

I was just wondering, what with all this criticism of PM, if any of the doubters have ever bothered to to go to so much trouble with the other magic medication that they claim is more reliable. For instance...Fenugreek..Anyone know where it comes from? Major producers are India and China. Leaves are green, used as a herb.. Seeds are Yellow, used as a spice. Its a major ingredient in curry. The seeds are ground into a yellow powder and can be used for increasing lactation....nothing to do with breast growth in non-lactating women. Have any of the girls ever broken open a pill to make sure it is yellow? Or, for that matter, checked the country of origin? I doubt it.

What about Saw Palmetto.. Its a green leaved plant. Used by medicine men of the Seminole Indians, also given to lactating 'squaws'. But...Few side effects or allergic reactions are associated with saw palmetto extract use. The most common side effects are gastrointestinal, some of which may be reduced by taking the extract with food. Use may increase the risk of bleeding or affect sex hormones, and concurrent use of other drugs with similar action SHOULD BE avoided. powder is green... anybody ever check it to make sure. I doubt it.

Wild Yam. Native of the Eastern States of USA. off-white pulp substance ..when dried and dehydrated it is a light brown in colour and loses 80% of its natural vitamins and minerals in the process. Best taken steamed with skin on and eaten like a baked potatoe. Available scientific evidence does not support claims that the wild yam can help the symptoms of menopause or premenstrual syndrome, reduce wrinkles, or enlarge breasts. However, since progesterone is absorbed through the skin and mucous membranes, a wild yam cream with added progesterone can have pharmacologic effects on the whole body.

So you see girls, PM doubters should read up on other products before being too hasty to put down the only product that actually claims to do what you want it to...and can prove it.

 

[cleo]

Am I missing something here? I actually thought this was a positive thread about PM and not a critical one. You have given us really good info philli and some of the girls have also stated they have had good results with different brands, although some not so but we all agree not everything works for everyone. You're right about the other herbs, I certainly haven't opened up capsules of fenugreek etc to check on colour but that's because I've never read or heard that it comes in different colours or that different coloured fenugreek is better than others. The only reason I've questioned the colour of PM is that I'd read on a site that it should be white but as they were selling PM I didn't know how much notice to take of this.

Anyway, I've got my PM and am nearly 3 weeks in. It's the same one as you use Philli so I'm hoping I respond as well as you have, if I do that's great but if not then it just wasn't right for me.

Best wishes, Cleo

 

[MariahsDs]

Hello Philli,

This will be my last post on this subject as it seems you are not really hearing what I am saying. I HAVE taken PM. I am not putting it down in anyway. However, if someone does want to put it down, you should not take any offense to it unless it is your product personally, and even then it should not offend you.

Yes, I know Fenugreek mainly comes from India and has been used for many years. I also know what it smells like, maple syrup. I also know it is yellow. Every brand and type of Fenugreek will always be yellow. The capsules are clear so you can clearly see it is yellow. If they were blue from one company, people would have the right to question why after hundreds of years is this a different color. I have taken Fenugreek as well. I am not sure where you get your information from, but I will tell you that your statement "....nothing to do with breast growth in non-lactating women" is completely false. I know this from first hand experience not to mention all the before and after pictures I have seen from people who have taken it. That is proof. If you dont believe me, here check it out for yourself : http://www.breastnexus.com/picture_pages.html

There are over 80 before and after pictures there, more than half of them used fenugreek as an ingredient to gain in their breasts.

I would like for you to go to Eve's Forum and tell the thousands of people on that forum fenugreek does not increase breast size, they would think that is actually absurd.

I just want to say, PM is not the only pill that can increase breast size and because it worked for you that does not guarantee anyone it will work for them. That goes for any breast enhancing herbs. Don't be ignorant, if you don't know then you don't know. It's not a bad thing to not know, you just have to admit it first if you ever want to learn anything. That is really what I wanted to say.

Cleo,
All the PM I have seen on ebay and other sources (besides the one you have), have been either white or beige (PM UK, St. Herb, Ainterol, Purafem, and Bella's PM just to name a few.) I have contacted a few of the sellers to ask them and they confirmed. I was here to give positive input about PM, but just wanted to say it will not work for everyone, because I have read pages upon pages. I remember contacting Bella about PM, and even though she is selling it, she will admit it will not work for everyone. I sat back and watched post after post, claims of PM working for everyone. I did not mean to be critical, just to provide an objective view. People who are just starting out should know what works for me might not work the same way for you. This is also apparent with using NB. Some people see results quick, others may take a while to see results.

Mariah

 

[Philli]

Okay MariahsDs, I agree. Let's not fight over it. This is a friendly Forum not bitchy like Eve's. But dont think I make my statements up. We both have the whole knowledge of the world at our finger tips..all you have to do is use it.. This is what Wikipedia says about Fenugreek: Fenugreek seed is widely used as a galactagogue (milk producing agent) by nursing mothers to increase inadequate breast milk supply. Studies have shown that fenugreek is a potent stimulator of breastmilk production and its use was associated with increases in milk production of as much as 900%. It can be found in capsule form in many health food stores.

That's all it says. Nothing about increasing breast size all by itself.

What I've been trying to say is that there is no magical herb or pill that will make breasts grow all by them selves...except PM...If it works. If such a pill existed that 100% guaranteed to work for everybody, it would be the worlds best selling product for girls from 15 to 50+ and demand would outstrip production worldwide. What I noticed about Eve's forum is that the majority are addicted pill takers and very few do any kind of exercise like Noogling to exercise the breast tissue. They just take their pills or daily concotion of herbs mixed in a blender with orange juice and Hope. I dont drink orange juice..citric acid is not friendly to my stomach, but I dont feel like I'm lacking in vitamin C so I dont worry about it.

To be honest, I dont think that PM has contributed to my breast growth for at least 2 years, But Noogling certainly has. I attribute all my growth from C+ to E from Noogling regularly. I take one 300 mg PM a day for hair skin and nails...that's all. But, without a doubt, at the beginning it certainly took me from a shrunken B (due to illness), to a full rounded C within a year. After that, I began noogling regularly every day, although I continuied with PM as well but I think it had no further influence on my breasts.

 

[tavia]

so pm does not always work for breast enlargement but the health benifits of it will always be there for any1 wanting to take it x
short but sweet hey


hey philli, ive got some pm from a company called thanyaporn http://www.thanyaporn.com/home_e.html
there 300mgs 1 a day after a meal,
do u /or anyone else think taking these with saw palmetto is ok?
ive decided on a concoction of saw palmetto, arginine NO2, and possibly shatavari (only going to experiment with this to see what it does)
but i was thinking of replacing the shatavari with the pm ?
most of this routine is only to help my non existant libido along with exercise and trying to get jiggy jiggy more often lol,
but i think that it could possibly have some good effects on my boobs because of the increased circulation from arginine and the dht effects of sp but im not setting any hopes for the boobs, as long as it helps me in the bedroom department then im happy.

 

[Philli]

Hi TT. Let me clarify my point about PM. The manufacturers say that growth takes place in the early months of taking it...in quantity....2x2 pills a day or whatever they recommend. After that, you can maintain the growth by only taking 1 a day from then on. That's what I now do. The Noogling gives my boobs all the exercise they need, but the improved circulation required to maintain them comes, I believe, from the PM.

As regards your 'concoction'. Frankly, I've no idea. I've never dabbled in cocktails. But I will say this... If it works, good for you. We all like our regular jiggy jiggy....well I do. ;D

 

[tavia]

ahh.... ok.. thanks for that, even though mine says 1 a day i suppose i could take an extra 1 in the evening mabe, gotta use them up anyway , hate to throw away something i could use.


when using it before, i could alwas garentee i would get at least an extra cup size with it, no matter how long i took it for, but since having my baby its like it doesnt like me anymore lol, hmm hormones must have altered alot

ill try it again though, may aswell egh,.. if it doesnt do anything 4 my boobs i dont mind, my noogleberry will be there to pick up the pieces lol, although if it makes me swell better then im sure i will definatly notice..
and let u all know






just taken my first 1,,,, he he

 

[jaybee]

Thanks for the info Philli..
Does anyone know if it's okay to take Pueraria Mirifica while on birth control?

 

[jaybee]

Does anyone know if Ainterol brand of PM is really that bad??? I read some bad reviews on it at Eve's forum RIGHT after I ordered it and now I'm nervous!
Help..